and anjelica's very distraught mother lisa. let's start with terry, how do you know to the difference between a person who just likes to shop a lot, or a shopaholic, what's the difference really. >> like with any behavior whether it's drinking or eating or gambling, anything in moderation is fine, but when you begin to get obsessed with the behavior, when there's negative consequences attached that could be financial stress or debt, loss of time, arguments with family or loved ones about it. and just sometimes people literally do run out of room to put things. then you're talking about a behavior that is compulsive and pathological. >> on the one hand you're talking about somebody who collects a lot of stuff and has the house filled with stuff. on the other hand, if a person can afford to buy stuff, why are they a shopaholic if they have the money to pay for it? >> they may still be a functional shopaholic. you have functional alcoholics who can get up every day and seem very functional. ing they may even have the space in thei